Cinderace with expert belt (or life orb) and dmax can one shot all of the popular redirection users with common spreads (indeedee max max bold, clefairy max max bold, togekiss max 208 bold or lower). Alolan marowak is something to consider for sure as it functions a bit better outside of dmax (flare blitz will kill amoongus while I don't think fire punch does without sun), and it resists grassy glide (just lost a game cause a banded rillaboom crit me), but his max quake also doesn't ohko ttar and I'd have to pick between rock coverage, a ghost stab for bulky waters, and protect. On the physical side the main thing I'm worried about is grassy glide, and both rhyperior and marowak take similar damage from it. The site may not work properly if you don't If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit Press J to jump to the feed. I currently run pyro ball and life orb, but I have been considering a sucker punch and expert belt set like yours.
Cinderace also gives me access to an alternative fast mode which I think I really wanted in the team. I've also come to realize that sleep powder is worth clicking against obvious dmax pokemon that you will not be able to one shot and have kept it over protect. Thanks for your time.I really appreciate the thoughtful response! 2 in Showndown ladder some weeks ago […]
He also fits in really well with cinderace's role of punishing redirection, as has the typing to hurt porygon z, dragapult, and other commonly maxed mons.I went with porygon2 as my trick room setter for reasons I'll get into later, but it's bulky enough to set up trick room on most things, as well as having a serious threat in the damage department.
Everyone’s favorite deer from VGC 16, Xerneas! Burning jealousy is amazing for threatening max airstream and max knuckle users, further enabling my late game.So I feel that venusaur torkoal is really weak to redirection as is. We believe these teams are a great starting point for any player getting into VGC, or needing ideas for a team! This exciting event was the first to feature battles using the Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon video games and the newly discovered Pokémon from the Alola region. I'm not saying it's better but it has 20 more base power for stronger max overgrowths. Epanding force does a lot of damage and so does hat in general.
On the other hand, I believe your Cinderace set is very good. They are both also immune to spore from amoongus, which you said that you were struggling to deal with. A team that is creative, well-constructed, thoughtful, and coherent will earn wins "purely" through its strengths; a “good” team will have many safe plays and involve few risks, or have powerful strategies that are impossible to answer without specific preparations. Xerneas @ Power Herb I would replace marowak with rhyperior. This pokemon is really threatening and consistently reverse sweeps teams after exhausting my opponents' resources with my leads.For alternative trick room modes I tried dusclops ttar and hat indeedee a good bit due to their popularity, but neither really felt strong to me. Also, if you are struggling against Amoongus, I would recommend a Safeguard user, or even an electric/misty terrain setter through max moves. I feel like the only reason you are using Kantonian Marowak is because you don't want a third fire type on the team. This is a list of sample teams that new players can use to help them get straight into playing the VGC19 Sun Series format. I am very willing to try the alolan form, and probably will do so soon, but I don't think marowak is straight up out classed. We encourage original content and questions for all official battle formats. Most importantly I think the duo constrains team building way too much: Hatterene isn't very strong in the back without another trick room setter as she will often just get doubled into without redirection support, this means you're often just going to have to lead hat indeedee when wanting a trick room mode. The attacks are simply for stat boosting and ohkos on the aforementioned pokemon and I found myself wishing I had sucker over pyro ball a lot.Urshifu was the last pokemon to make it onto the team but I'm putting him here because he is commonly led with cinderace. So after my post a couple days ago, I took your suggestions, tried a bunch of different variants, played around 200 games of vgc between in game and showdown and ended up on this team. They put the idea of cinderace urshifu in my head and omg it's strong. Whimsicott and Venusaur could be a very powerful lead., and if I remember correctly, you wanted to build this team around Venusaur. However, I can't really say a lot about it because I haven't used Porygon2 that much. So to take these in order:Urshifu does seem to have similar coverage to cinderace, but I think his role cannot be covered by cinderace alone. I went with the max def body press set as the rest of my team is already very offensive so some bulk and support feels cohesive. For Torkoal and Venusaur, I like the sets on both. I'm having a hard time verbalizing why it feels so good, but I think that his role is being a very hard hitting pokemon with focus sash. I have lately also been considering fast sash ttar as his sash won't be broken by weather and he has rock slide which is great after either a speed or attack boost by cinderace, but I think urshifu's speed (outspeed dragapult at +1 while ttar cannot), powerful stab moves, and ability make him a really good fit for what I need. Only thing i'd really consider changing on porygon is thunderbolt for tri attack, but I've been running into a lot of gyaradoses, so thunderbolt has been doing well.Lastly, marowak is my trick room sweeper, and boy does he sweep. Venusaur was the main reason I wanted to build this team to begin with so he's our starting member.
A good sleep powder read on a dmax can just be game in itself and I think my other leads make it so I don't have to lead venusaur into matchups I would absolutely need protect for.Next is Venusaur's buddy torkoal. I will certainly check out your team when you do post it.How do you deal with Amoongus or Pokémon with a lower base speed than Marowak if TR is up? Although, you have multiple good dynamax users, so I guess it does make sense. I think ohkoing ttar is important as many people will bring ttar when they seen torkoal, and rock coverage is important for all the flying types that give venusaur trouble.
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